Valiant Living Podcast · Episode 65
The Future of Complex Case Management
A Clinical Roundtable · Part 1
Hosted by Drew Powell · Released June 17, 2026 · 59 min
Featuring Michael Simms, Dr. Stephanie Emde, Drew Powell, Sherry Young & Tyi Reddick
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About This Episode
When one provider isn’t enough
Some cases are bigger than any one provider. The handoff is messy, the family is exhausted, and the path forward isn’t a single referral. If you have ever sat across from a client whose needs spilled past what your program alone could hold, this conversation is for you.
Host Drew Powell opens up the monthly Third Thursday clinical roundtable with four people who live this work every day: Michael Simms, Chief Operating Officer at All Points North; Dr. Stephanie Emde, Chief Growth Officer at Valiant Living; Sherry Young of Right Fit Collaborative; and Tyi Reddick, Head of Case Management at Valiant Detox. Together they unpack what complex case management actually means today, why the complexity is rarely the diagnosis itself, and how coordination across providers is the thing that quietly holds recovery together.
The panel gets candid about the clinical patterns reshaping care, from rising bipolar presentations and engineered THC psychosis to the denial and spiritual bypassing that keep people stuck. They talk about treating the whole person rather than the symptom, why case management is clinical work, and what it takes to get everyone in the same room when a client is moving between levels of care.
This is Part 1 of an ongoing conversation. Part 2 continues this Third Thursday — register free at valiantliving.com/roundtable.
What You’ll Take Away
Key ideas from the conversation
◆ Why the complexity is rarely the diagnosis itself — it’s coordinating housing, legal, family, and multiple providers into one stable plan.
◆ The shift from “why the addiction” to “why the pain” — treating the whole person instead of zeroing in on symptoms.
◆ New clinical patterns reshaping care: rising bipolar presentations, engineered THC psychosis, and Kratom dependence.
◆ Why case management is clinical work — and how triangulation between family and providers is the signal to add support.
◆ How a trauma-informed lens supports the 12-step model rather than replacing it — helping a dysregulated nervous system become able to engage.
◆ Why the church often lacks a way back for leaders in recovery — and what other professions get right about return-to-work.
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Third Thursday Clinical Roundtable
For clinicians, treatment professionals, and anyone passionate about healing. We’re all better when we learn and grow together. Part 2 of this conversation happens this Third Thursday.
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Welcome & Panel Introductions
Drew Powell opens the roundtable and invites each panelist to introduce themselves. Tyi Reddick shares his role as Head of Case Management for Valiant Detox and his work across Colorado recovery communities. Michael Simms introduces himself as Chief Operating Officer at All Points North, a licensed clinical social worker with more than fifteen years in the field. Sherry Young describes twenty years in the industry, twenty-eight years of recovery, and her work alongside her daughter Julie at Right Fit Collaborative. Dr. Stephanie Emde, a clinical forensic psychologist, explains why she created the roundtables: a belief in collaboration and never wanting to be the smartest person in the room.
Defining Complex Case Management
The panel sets context for what complex case management means today. Simms frames it as seeing the client in their entirety, moving from a single substance-use or mental-health lens toward co-occurring, polysubstance, process addictions, family systems, and trauma. Sherry centers family systems and intergenerational pain. Tyi adds the practical layers beneath the diagnoses: housing instability, legal involvement, and multiple providers who are not talking to one another. The complexity, he notes, is coordinating all the moving parts in a way that keeps the client stable and engaged.
New Clinical Patterns Changing Care
Dr. Emde describes a rise in bipolar presentations among high-performing men, with elevated suicide risk when an identity mask is removed. She and Simms discuss engineered THC and a corresponding rise in psychosis, the shift in language from substance-induced to substance-revealed delusions, and the growing presence of Kratom marketed as wellness. Simms cites research linking adolescent marijuana use to greater long-term suicidality and notes that psychotic episodes often recur and may require lifelong management.
What Makes a Case Complex
Sherry names denial as a defining factor that no diagnosis captures, sharing an example of a client who did not initially recognize a brother’s suicide as trauma. Tyi describes how his population often normalizes severe events as ordinary life. Dr. Emde explains why she reframes “trauma” as “life events that stand out,” and Simms points to multiple treatment episodes without durable recovery as a signal to get curious about what is being missed rather than labeling it failure.
Denial & Spiritual Bypassing
Responding to an audience question about the church, Sherry introduces spiritual bypassing as a form of covert trauma and denial. Drew reflects on being taught that feelings were bad and how honest confession, like a 12-step room, creates the conditions for healing. Simms observes that unlike physicians or pilots, the church often lacks a structured way back for leaders in recovery, and points to physician health program outcomes as a model worth matching.
Collaboration Across Levels of Care
The panel turns to care coordination. Tyi describes warm handoffs, the underrated value of peer support, and a technology platform that keeps the whole care team informed across therapy, medical, and case-management touchpoints. Simms highlights treatment-team meetings that include the client and family, and names triangulation as the signal to increase support. Dr. Emde notes that the real gap is communication between facilities, and credits Sherry with helping coordinate transitions to the right next level of care.
Trauma Lens with 12-Step Recovery
Prompted by a question from Julie Hurley, the group discusses how a trauma-informed lens supports rather than replaces the 12-step model. Sherry shares her own path from daily meetings to later trauma work. Simms draws on polyvagal theory to describe co-regulation and self-regulation, arguing that learning to emotionally regulate aligns directly with 12-step principles and that stabilization helps people become able to engage.
Practical Takeaways & Closing
For practical application, Dr. Emde urges clinicians to start from the client’s own goals. Sherry reframes addiction as a solution before it became a problem, and defines the clinician’s job as helping people become conscious of what was once unconscious. Simms calls for involving outside providers and family from day one, since clients do not exist in isolation. Drew closes by noting this is the first of an ongoing Third Thursday conversation.
This is a lightly edited summary transcript. Full speaker labels and timestamps are available with the audio above.
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